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Friday, January 16, 2009
Marjan's Portrayal (CLOSED)
Do you think the author does an accurate job writing about the thoughts and feeling Marjan might have towards her situation? Explain, discuss, clarify, and contribute (see rubric about how to go about it).
ya im the first one to post. Well i think the auther does a so so job on discribing whats going through marjan's head. One thing she dosnt explain enough is what she thinks of the place and the palace "staff" i would like to know what she thinks of this place growing up in poverty.
I agree with chris that the author does a so so job portraying the thoughts that go through her head. sometimes the author will say what marjan is thinking but others i think it just says what is happening. The author does a good job describing but not using quotes
Most of them will be revealed at some time in the book. From what I remember, I would like to know a bit more about her history, and also what she thinks of the palace and all of the places inside it.
i think the author is pretty good at describing Marjans feelings. i think the author should describe Marjans feelings toward the sultan. the other does do a good job describing how she feels about her lame foot
I think the author portrays Marjan's feelings pretty well. And as for some of the other comments, we still in the beginning the book so information about her past and what she feels will come eventually. (I mean she's only been to the palace once, you can't expect that she'll have a diary about her thoughts about it already.:P) To add on to what Chris said, this author isn't like the one that wrote CCB because he doesn't write as comically.
I hope that the author tells a bit more about her thoughts toward how her life will change and if she thinks its for the worse or better or maybe she just doesn't care (doubt it).
i agree with eric that the athour show what marjan is feeling prettt well. like when that guy came to take her to the palace the author made it very clear that marjan did not want to. i also like the first little box in the chapter i think that they kind of forshadow the chapter. the last one said that you should be careful what you wish for and then marjan wishes to go to the palace and when it happens she is sad about it
i think the author portrays marjan well and i also agree with nicole and eric. i can imagine her fear when she has to leave home and i can imagine her when she tells the story of the fish to all the kids. I also think that she has a almost devious mind... thats not the right word im looking for... but she thinks in a different way. like when she was tellin the children the story, she was trying to get them to come closer to her and like her. and by the end of that all of the were holding her hand and reluctant to go. I also get a sense that she really does love her auntie chava and uncle eli. the author describes her emotions well when she has to leave them.
I think that mabye the reazon that we cant understand Marjan as we did birdy is that, well, actually i think that there are three reasons: 1) i think that although marjan is pretty individual birdy has more of a up-and-front perrsonality meaning she isnt as councious of what other people think. This means that she basically says watever she thinks, whereas marjan is more conservative and shy. Heres a question: how do you think BIRDY would act if she had a messed up foot? 2) Although it may seem strange i also think that because marjan has better people surrounding her she is not as insulting. Birdy has a REASON (in her mind at least) to not like those around her as much: Most of them are not the best people in the world. I aslso think that birdy is much more easily angered, marjan is meeker. 3) simply that we havent read as much of shadow spinner as ccb (obviously). I think that by the time the book is over we will know much more about marjan than we do now.
i also agree with jack and his three theories. i also think another theory is that birdy kept a journal and had to explain more to the audience. all marjan doees is think, like we do everyday. if we were writing an account of our life, then our thoughts would be more personal and have more characteristic than if we all just posted our thoughts. this would make it sorta harder (not too hard, just hard-ER that CCB) for the author to portray marjan's feelings and life style and character, but she still does a rele good job of it.
srry, in the part where i said, our thoughts would be more pesonal... (blah blah blah) i meant our journal would be more personal. srry bout da confusion.
im insulted poly. i was not refering to u but lelands imaginary friend. Do you not think i know how to spell your name?
I do agree with you about the fact that birdys writing in a journal helps us understand her better but i also think that there is a downside to this. We follow marjan everywhere and see everthing she does (insignifigant things included) in ccb we only hear about certian parts of birdys day thus discluding us from info that we might recieve had the story been told from the point of view shadow spinner is told from.
in ccb birdy is giving us the in on her day and the opinions. the journal style is more effective on portraying personality and opinions. with marjans we see more of a story with lacking on personality and opinions.
I think that it is funny how Marjan really wanted to help Shahrazad but when she finally did...she wa scared and didnt want to leave home! Be careful what u wish 4!
i agree with the chrises and nikhi in the fact that we still don't know the whole deal bout marjan. If I were Marjan I'd feel scared and a lil betrayed my parents didn't save me fromgoing to the Sultan's palace and possibly being the next victim if she can't think of more stories.
That is pretty ironic, though. But keep in mind, wouldn't you be pretty scared being asked to go meet Michelle Obama? That's pretty much what Marjan was supposed to do, except a different person.
yah you're kind of right Nicky but it would be kind of weird too because of the fact that Marjan is going to her hero's house and it would be kind of scary. Well actually you're right. Sorry
first of all, im sry 4 da confusion jak! sry lecal, i didn't want to insult ur imaginary friend!
also, i agree with jack that we follow marjan everywhere giving us more perspective on her life! but i think that birdy tells her events with more humor, but they may not always be right. In this book, i like the fact it is from marjan's point of view, but it is told like it actually is happening (not someones tale how THEY want it to go) but like it actually is. like how she quakes in fear when she has to go live with shaharazad, that was described well. i agree with you, jorge, that the author does describe her very well!
i dont think humor really has anything to do with how to tell good events. i completly agree with pauli about the happening part. instead of past tense, she is talking in present tense unlike birdy who was talking in past tense.
i agree with jorge about the author describing marjan's thoughts well. when marjan found out she was going to live with shaharazad, i could really feel the fear and excitement going through her mind. i also like how it is told like it's happening in the present, because it makes it feel more like thoughts going through her mind.
i think that the author does the best job she can because its hard to say out in words what someone is feeling and hearing becuase it would be better if u were actualy there. marjan sees beautiful golden things and so many amazing objects that it is hard to write out exatly wat she sees and when. but the author does give great imagery in this book and you can kind of imagine what the harem looks like. the author has a good idea of what marjan might have seen in a harem but real life experiances are hard to write down as words.so i think that the author did an awesome job with expressing what marjan saw.
Also, to be a bit more realistic, I think the author doesn't describe some of things as well as she could do because Marjan's probably not going to describe all of her surroundings she's familiar with, even though the author knows that we don't.
I think that the author does an okay of describing Marjan's thoughts and feelings. But I think she should of described a little more on some of the bigger parts of the story. for example when she gets the news that shaharazad wants for her to come live with and the feeling that she gets when she first meets shaharazad
I think that the author could do a better job of describing marjans feelings, like when marjan meets shaharazad and then when marjan finds out that she is supposed to leave her family and go live with shaharazad.
I definitly agree w/ sophia!!! Nicky that is totally true!!!! I also think that She must have been rly shocked and stumbled when she heard that(If she could think but ya know she is like only in da book!!!!lolzzz) she had to leavve her family and go live with her.... :)
Umm ok i kinda got lost reading so im just gunna post my answr. Lemme make sure im interprtng the ? crrctly. Is it like how duz marjan feel when shes takn by the unic (idk how to spell it) to live w/ shaharazad?
well im gunna do my ansr 4 tht. I think tht the authr did a good job portrayng marjans feelings after being taken away frm her aunt nd uncle. She says tht marjan is unhappy and scrd to go lve with shaharzd and i think tht is totlly resnable. IDK IF IM ANSWRNG THE RIGHT ? so.. if im doing the wrng 1... oops
I think we should do a bit of reading to refresh our memories of how this book is written, as it's hard to remember what it's like from almost a week ago.
A lot of ppl are talking about how the author could describe or tell Marjan's feelings more and I agree with them. But I also think it leaves room for us to predict what's going on in her mind (or our minds). We maybe have our own thoughts about what it would feel like leaving you family and going into a new world (the harem) and some ppl can relate to that. Btw, I'm doing this in Spanish class since we have a study hall lol.
Ugh now I can post... kept on saying "only a member of this blog may post a comment"
---My Ideas ------------------ Book's ideas--- ________________|__________________ Marjan is really-------|I don't think it confused and surpris|covers this topic ed-----------------------|completely enough ________________|__________________ Marjan wants to go-| Gets this well back home------------|
(This is my post for last week Mr.K) (I was too sick to post)
Too bad you can't use HTML table code (I just view the page source of a website with a table in it and find a table, then I basically copy it). You can only use link code....>:(
Anyways, good comparison Anton. I might do something like that myself later.
ya im the first one to post. Well i think the auther does a so so job on discribing whats going through marjan's head. One thing she dosnt explain enough is what she thinks of the place and the palace "staff" i would like to know what she thinks of this place growing up in poverty.
ReplyDeleteI agree with chris that the author does a so so job portraying the thoughts that go through her head. sometimes the author will say what marjan is thinking but others i think it just says what is happening. The author does a good job describing but not using quotes
ReplyDeletei feel like i dont realy know marjan as i did with Birdy from CCB because we dont know whats realy in her head and her personality
ReplyDeleteI agree with Chris. The story of Marjan's life is still unravelling. We still don't know the anger behind her foot. I"m really curious.
ReplyDeletei agree with nikhil that marjan has qualities that havent been said yet in the story but will eventually be revealed.
ReplyDeleteMost of them will be revealed at some time in the book. From what I remember, I would like to know a bit more about her history, and also what she thinks of the palace and all of the places inside it.
ReplyDeletei think the author is pretty good at describing Marjans feelings. i think the author should describe Marjans feelings toward the sultan. the other does do a good job describing how she feels about her lame foot
ReplyDeleteI think the author portrays Marjan's feelings pretty well. And as for some of the other comments, we still in the beginning the book so information about her past and what she feels will come eventually. (I mean she's only been to the palace once, you can't expect that she'll have a diary about her thoughts about it already.:P) To add on to what Chris said, this author isn't like the one that wrote CCB because he doesn't write as comically.
ReplyDeleteI hope that the author tells a bit more about her thoughts toward how her life will change and if she thinks its for the worse or better or maybe she just doesn't care (doubt it).
I agree with Samch about Marjan's lame foot. The author definetley lets you know how Marjan feels about being handycapped.
ReplyDeletei agree with eric that the athour show what marjan is feeling prettt well. like when that guy came to take her to the palace the author made it very clear that marjan did not want to. i also like the first little box in the chapter i think that they kind of forshadow the chapter. the last one said that you should be careful what you wish for and then marjan wishes to go to the palace and when it happens she is sad about it
ReplyDeletei think the author portrays marjan well and i also agree with nicole and eric. i can imagine her fear when she has to leave home and i can imagine her when she tells the story of the fish to all the kids. I also think that she has a almost devious mind... thats not the right word im looking for... but she thinks in a different way. like when she was tellin the children the story, she was trying to get them to come closer to her and like her. and by the end of that all of the were holding her hand and reluctant to go. I also get a sense that she really does love her auntie chava and uncle eli. the author describes her emotions well when she has to leave them.
ReplyDeletewhew!! that was longer than i thought!
I think that mabye the reazon that we cant understand Marjan as we did birdy is that, well, actually i think that there are three reasons: 1) i think that although marjan is pretty individual birdy has more of a up-and-front perrsonality meaning she isnt as councious of what other people think. This means that she basically says watever she thinks, whereas marjan is more conservative and shy. Heres a question: how do you think BIRDY would act if she had a messed up foot? 2) Although it may seem strange i also think that because marjan has better people surrounding her she is not as insulting. Birdy has a REASON (in her mind at least) to not like those around her as much: Most of them are not the best people in the world. I aslso think that birdy is much more easily angered, marjan is meeker. 3) simply that we havent read as much of shadow spinner as ccb (obviously). I think that by the time the book is over we will know much more about marjan than we do now.
ReplyDeletetake that for length poly! :)
nice spelling of pauli (poly) jack!!! jk!! lol!
ReplyDeletei also agree with jack and his three theories. i also think another theory is that birdy kept a journal and had to explain more to the audience. all marjan doees is think, like we do everyday. if we were writing an account of our life, then our thoughts would be more personal and have more characteristic than if we all just posted our thoughts. this would make it sorta harder (not too hard, just hard-ER that CCB) for the author to portray marjan's feelings and life style and character, but she still does a rele good job of it.
srry, in the part where i said, our thoughts would be more pesonal... (blah blah blah) i meant our journal would be more personal. srry bout da confusion.
ReplyDeleteim insulted poly. i was not refering to u but lelands imaginary friend. Do you not think i know how to spell your name?
ReplyDeleteI do agree with you about the fact that birdys writing in a journal helps us understand her better but i also think that there is a downside to this. We follow marjan everywhere and see everthing she does (insignifigant things included) in ccb we only hear about certian parts of birdys day thus discluding us from info that we might recieve had the story been told from the point of view shadow spinner is told from.
smooth jack lol
ReplyDeletein ccb birdy is giving us the in on her day and the opinions. the journal style is more effective on portraying personality and opinions. with marjans we see more of a story with lacking on personality and opinions.
I think that it is funny how Marjan really wanted to help Shahrazad but when she finally did...she wa scared and didnt want to leave home! Be careful what u wish 4!
ReplyDeleteyeah its IRONIC :) that she has always been inspired by someone and know that the time comes she is chickening out.
ReplyDeletei agree with the chrises and nikhi in the fact that we still don't know the whole deal bout marjan. If I were Marjan I'd feel scared and a lil betrayed my parents didn't save me fromgoing to the Sultan's palace and possibly being the next victim if she can't think of more stories.
ReplyDeletePS. I also think its ironic and jack I DO NOT have an imaginary friend named poly. My imaginary friends name is julian.
ReplyDeleteDon't make the chat alarm go off, Leland.
ReplyDeleteThat is pretty ironic, though. But keep in mind, wouldn't you be pretty scared being asked to go meet Michelle Obama? That's pretty much what Marjan was supposed to do, except a different person.
yah you're kind of right Nicky but it would be kind of weird too because of the fact that Marjan is going to her hero's house and it would be kind of scary. Well actually you're right. Sorry
ReplyDeleteI think the author does a good job describing the thought and feelings of Marjan because you can really imagine how she feels and what she thinks of.
ReplyDeletefirst of all, im sry 4 da confusion jak! sry lecal, i didn't want to insult ur imaginary friend!
ReplyDeletealso, i agree with jack that we follow marjan everywhere giving us more perspective on her life! but i think that birdy tells her events with more humor, but they may not always be right. In this book, i like the fact it is from marjan's point of view, but it is told like it actually is happening (not someones tale how THEY want it to go) but like it actually is. like how she quakes in fear when she has to go live with shaharazad, that was described well. i agree with you, jorge, that the author does describe her very well!
i dont think humor really has anything to do with how to tell good events. i completly agree with pauli about the happening part. instead of past tense, she is talking in present tense unlike birdy who was talking in past tense.
ReplyDeletei agree with jorge about the author describing marjan's thoughts well. when marjan found out she was going to live with shaharazad, i could really feel the fear and excitement going through her mind. i also like how it is told like it's happening in the present, because it makes it feel more like thoughts going through her mind.
ReplyDeletei think that the author does the best job she can because its hard to say out in words what someone is feeling and hearing becuase it would be better if u were actualy there. marjan sees beautiful golden things and so many amazing objects that it is hard to write out exatly wat she sees and when. but the author does give great imagery in this book and you can kind of imagine what the harem looks like. the author has a good idea of what marjan might have seen in a harem but real life experiances are hard to write down as words.so i think that the author did an awesome job with expressing what marjan saw.
ReplyDeleteAlso, to be a bit more realistic, I think the author doesn't describe some of things as well as she could do because Marjan's probably not going to describe all of her surroundings she's familiar with, even though the author knows that we don't.
ReplyDeleteI think that the author does an okay of describing Marjan's thoughts and feelings. But I think she should of described a little more on some of the bigger parts of the story. for example when she gets the news that shaharazad wants for her to come live with and the feeling that she gets when she first meets shaharazad
ReplyDeleteI think that the author could do a better job of describing marjans feelings, like when marjan meets shaharazad and then when marjan finds out that she is supposed to leave her family and go live with shaharazad.
ReplyDeleteI would like that, also. We're not going to be able to meet someone like Scheherazade, so share the experience with us. (Not talking to anyone here)
ReplyDeleteI definitly agree w/ sophia!!! Nicky that is totally true!!!! I also think that She must have been rly shocked and stumbled when she heard that(If she could think but ya know she is like only in da book!!!!lolzzz) she had to leavve her family and go live with her.... :)
ReplyDeleteUmm ok i kinda got lost reading so im just gunna post my answr. Lemme make sure im interprtng the ? crrctly. Is it like how duz marjan feel when shes takn by the unic (idk how to spell it) to live w/ shaharazad?
ReplyDeletewell im gunna do my ansr 4 tht.
ReplyDeleteI think tht the authr did a good job portrayng marjans feelings after being taken away frm her aunt nd uncle. She says tht marjan is unhappy and scrd to go lve with shaharzd and i think tht is totlly resnable.
IDK IF IM ANSWRNG THE RIGHT ? so.. if im doing the wrng 1... oops
You're answering it right, don't worry.
ReplyDeleteI think we should do a bit of reading to refresh our memories of how this book is written, as it's hard to remember what it's like from almost a week ago.
A lot of ppl are talking about how the author could describe or tell Marjan's feelings more and I agree with them. But I also think it leaves room for us to predict what's going on in her mind (or our minds). We maybe have our own thoughts about what it would feel like leaving you family and going into a new world (the harem) and some ppl can relate to that.
ReplyDeleteBtw, I'm doing this in Spanish class since we have a study hall lol.
Ugh now I can post... kept on saying "only a member of this blog may post a comment"
ReplyDelete---My Ideas ------------------ Book's ideas---
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Marjan is really-------|I don't think it
confused and surpris|covers this topic
ed-----------------------|completely enough
________________|__________________
Marjan wants to go-| Gets this well
back home------------|
(This is my post for last week Mr.K)
(I was too sick to post)
and sorry about the wierd format, the preview command doesn't work
ReplyDeleteToo bad you can't use HTML table code (I just view the page source of a website with a table in it and find a table, then I basically copy it). You can only use link code....>:(
ReplyDeleteAnyways, good comparison Anton. I might do something like that myself later.
*agrees with nicky* I really need to do a refresher course with the book.
ReplyDeleteMr. Kaelin will you let us do an open book post in class Friday?
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